Welcome to CenterDebate

This blog / forum is dedicated to, and created for, those of us who can’t believe what is happening to our country. The drastic measures that marked the end of the Bush presidency have gone into overdrive under the Obama administration. What started as an attempt to prevent the meltdown of the financial markets, banking system and the economy as a whole has spun out of control into a concerted effort to remake our system of government. These recent developments are a wake-up call.

The creeping socialism that took hold during the FDR era, during another “crisis” that was used to frighten the citizenry into giving up their freedom, has now sped up to a gallop. The march has been incremental yet relentless. The power grab on display under the guise of health care “reform” is an outrage. Toxic policies can wreak havoc immediately or fester over time. Old and new deals are on a collision course. Time has run out.

“Ponzi” schemes can be kept afloat for a long time if you can keep the money flowing in. The duration of Bernie Madoff’s scam is still being uncovered. It likely lasted for decades. Social Security is just another pyramid, this one run by the US government and we are all victims with no choice but to participate. Nevertheless, the day of reckoning is here. The US government will officially pay out more in Social Security benefits this year than it takes in from FICA taxes. Even the New York Times concurs with this. That it is now running in the red on an annual budget basis is just the tip of the iceberg.

The unfunded liabilities, the promises made to all the workers over the decades is in excess of $14 TRILLION. (Source: www.usdebtclock.org ) There is no “trust fund”. Every penny you’ve paid into this system over the decades was spent immediately on something else. All this debt is in addition to the annual budget deficits and accumulated debt that the politicians are talking about. The unfunded liabilities related to Medicare dwarf the other figures, coming in at $75 TRILLION as I type (same source). Add it all up and we’re talking $108 TRILLION+.

This is a bipartisan mess. Over the years we’ve had Republican and Democrat Presidents and both parties have had their turn with majorities in Congress. They’ve debated issues large and small while passing this ticking time bomb on to the next congress, the next generation. Now they’ve decided to circumvent the debate process, just shoving through massive legislation without even reading it.

Why CenterDebate? Roughly a third of the people who actually bother to register and then vote self-identify as Democrats, another third as Republicans and the final third remain “independent”. This middle third, the center, is the swing vote that decides the national elections. Now,  these are estimates, and they change over time and they’ve changed quite a bit in the recent election cycles. The pendulum swings back and forth as one administration after another shirks their responsibilities. Neither party seems to get the message.

Will a third party emerge? Time will tell. Nothing is impossible. Right now it is imperative that the two major parties get the message. We are not going to be duped into bipartisan bickering when there is such an urgent fiscal situation. Politicians from the left and right would prefer to keep us occupied fighting each other while they protect their incumbencies, collect six figure salaries, wield clout and cater to their special interests. We get the tax bill and the growing debt. It’s time to fight a different political battle-against the political class and the growing monster that our government has become. I don’t care what your particular politics are. The math is very simple. The whole mess is unsustainable. Governments have collapsed throughout history and if we don’t learn those lessons-and apply them-the US will join a club we don’t want to be in.

Input is welcome. The mission is to create a dialogue that can cut through the deception. Let’s have the debate that our politicians refuse to have.

One rule:
No BS. You are entitled to your opinion but not your own facts.
Every attempt will be made to “fact check” this forum and lies, deceptions and myths will be culled with extreme prejudice.

The ultimate goal is not endless debate-it is real solutions, and impact at election time, this November and beyond. Important decisions need to be made. Crucial steps need to be taken. Let’s start by weeding out the incumbents and then insisting on better candidates at the primary level.

The 2012 elections begin now.

Pat Duggan

Published in: on April 28, 2010 at 5:04 pm  Comments (3)  

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  1. Nicely done, I look forward to hearing more. We all live ourl lives somewhere in the middle–Center Debate can provide a proving ground for sanity.

  2. You’ll forgive my cynicism please, but I’ve already seen this movie. 51 years ago a charismatic but inexperienced young lawyer seized power in the country of my birth and for the first two or three years rode a wave of popular mass hysteria.
    No one in their right mind dared to question the new messiah’s vision of a post-capitalistic Cuba and with every stroke of the pen (and pull of the trigger) the new Latino Robin Hood took from the Yankee-controlled rich and gave to an escrow account he’d set up, surely for the benefit of the poor. His popularity seemed to transcend national boundaries and soon the Left from across the globe came to fawn at his feet. Not the least of these was the self-loathing press corps of every Western democracy grasping at each vitriolic invective that dripped from their new messiah’s lips. Fidel Christ was giving voice to the very guilt, resentment and hatred felt by the Left against their own countries of origin. But now, after all, at long last they would see SOCIAL JUSTICE!

    But political power is an insidious thing and one can’t be too careful when choosing whom to surround oneself with. Competence be damned! It’s more important to surround yourself with those whom you can trust. So saying, the new leader appointed a young medical doctor – Ché Guevara – who had never balanced a personal check book in his life, as President of the National Bank of Cuba. Ché was the first Czar of the western hemisphere, soon to be joined by equally incompetent, inexperienced and ill-equipped ideologues whose sole credential was unquestioning devotion to the maximum leader.
    It wasn’t long before Cuban currency, which in the pre-Castro 50’s had been at a 1:1 exchange rate with the US dollar, was on a par with toilet tissue.
    National Universal Healthcare Reform was one of the very earliest orders of business for the new regime and you’d swear that someone had yelled “fire” in hospitals across Cuba, judging by the mad dash for the exits made by medical professionals. Today, a doctor in Cuba is paid the equivalent of $40 US dollars per month by the government and can be seen moonlighting as cab drivers, bar tenders and even prostitutes to feed their families. A nurse, of course, is paid less than a doctor and recently I watched on YouTube a Cuban nurse/hooker explain to her John that she had a daughter to raise and couldn’t survive on the $10 per month the government paid her for her professional services; so much for universal health care. How long do you suppose it will take American health professionals today to realize that they’ve been had and make their own dash for the border? And I don’t mean Taco Bell.

    During the Reagan administration I once heard a politician exclaim that if the communists took over the Sahara Desert there would soon be a shortage of sand. Truer words were never spoken but in the case of Cuba, the closest thing to desert sand was the once-ubiquitous ocean of sugar-cane fields. No longer; today Cuba has to import sugar from Brazil and soon even from the US , their alleged enemy, in order to meet domestic needs. Out of consideration for this blogs policy of no BS I’ve hyperlinked the term “US” to an address on the web providing information about Cuba needing to import sugar. Go there, if you will, read that article and then explain to me how it was possible to destroy a vibrant national economy in such a way using nothing but the power of socialist stupidity. It baffles the mind.

    Despite the blatantly obvious disaster which is Cuba’s socialist adventure, we have a cadre of semi-morons and pre-cretins in Congress today who delight in the alleged achievements of the glorious Cuban Revolution and would like nothing better than to bring a similar abomination of desolation upon this noble soil. God forbid it and may it never happen! But anyone familiar with the delusional ranting of the likes of Diane Watson, Maxine Waters, Bobby Rush, the Congressional Black Caucus et al, surely knows that Fidel Hussein Obama is not alone in his quest for the Marxist utopia. Throw in Michael Moore, Danny Glover, Sean Penn, Harry Belafonte, Steven Spielberg, Naomi Campbell, the rest of Hollywood, the Tribune and most of the Mainstream Media, Bill Ayers and much of Academia, and you begin to get a picture of who forms public opinion in our nation today.

    Tea Party? Yes, I like the concept and have been to a couple so far but more and more I’m concerned that it is being co-opted by the Republican Party. Though a conservative, I am deeply disappointed with the Republicans and hold them responsible at least equally with the Democrats for the condition of America today. I was even enthusiastic there for awhile regarding Sarah Palin and then she came forward to campaign for John McCain and I’ve lost respect for her altogether. We’ve got to get all these treacherous weasels out of Congress before they turn this nation into another Soviet or European Union.

    They know there is going to be a very major backlash come November and also in 2012 and I’m convinced they are going to play dirty. We can see already the strategy of granting illegal aliens citizenship and now they’re also trying to make Puerto Rico the 51st state for the very same reason. However, these things are not what I call dirty. I suspect that if things aren’t looking good for the Socialists, they may try something unconstitutional and perhaps even violent by using our own military against us. Sound too dramatic? Look at the history of the Left and remember Santayana’s admonition that those who refuse to learn from history are doomed to repeat it.

  3. I was one of your readers who questioned the bank loans prior to the bubble burst. Thanks Pat for the history lesson and explaining it so eloquently.
    I may not agree with everything you write but it IS interesting! I hope you get a good following.


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